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  tell me not to cry...

  by losingit in

  1. jw
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  after more than a month of not attending the meetings, my girls will be returning to the meeting tomorrow.

  their father is taking them.

  i was so happy because my girls were free from the boredom, drudgery and mind control inflicted upon those that attend.

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  Nathan Natas

  Have your kids ever seen a really scary movie? Maybe Godzilla, Frankenstein, The Mummy, Halloween, etc.

  When you have a chance to talk with your kids without interference from Dad, ask them if they remember seeing the movie, and explain to them thay some prople can't tell that the movie isn't real. In the same sense, a few years ago YOU thought that the story of Armageddon was real, and for a long time you believe it was real, and you even made the mistake of teaching THEM it was real, but you've recently rea;ized that Armageddon was only a story, that it isn't real and is NEVER going to happen, that it was meant to SCARE people into going to church.

  Anytime they even hint about Armageddon, remind them that it is just a story and isn't real. Reassure them that God (or Jesus) is LOVE and that people who are afraid of Armageddon have forgotten that god (or Jesus) is Love.

  Basically what they need to do is de-program themselves to get rid of the scary pictures in their heads.
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  Improving Critical Thinking Skills

  by GloomySunday in

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  i'm out of the jw religion, but still have trouble thinking critically.

  when i was in, i had no idea what a logical fallacy was, i used all sorts of false arguments, yes, even "if man evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?".

  i would fall for just about everything.

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  You are about to go from homeschooled to auto didact. Good work!
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  WTS Construction: Chew On This

  by metatron in

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  what rural area of the us has perhaps the most ironclad, entrenched religious culture that harshly suppresses exposure of child sexual abuse within its membership?.

  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0.

  answer: orange county, ny.

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  I have GOT to love the Hasids for telling Bloomberg to shove his bikepaths! Mazel tov!
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  "False Prophets" part notably uncomfortable

  by Separation of Powers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, service meeting last night.

  bro handling the "false prophet" part was notably disturbed.

  every time he spoke of previous "expectations" his body language was like "oh my god, can you believe i'm saying this?

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  "Jehovah's organization has never claimed to be inspired."

  Then why do any damn thing they say?
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  Here comes September 11, 2013 (9-11) What do you predict will happen?

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. social
  2. current

  september 11, 2013 will fall on a wednesday this year.

  as you know, the peace-loving people of islam are seldom more peace-loving than they are on wednesdays.. what are your predictions, speculations and expectations for that day?

  should we share our thoughts with president clueless or let him golf without tedious interuptions?.

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  September 11, 2013 will fall on a Wednesday this year. As you know, the peace-loving people of Islam are seldom more peace-loving than they are on Wednesdays.

  What are your predictions, speculations and expectations for that day?

  Should we share our thoughts with President Clueless or let him golf without tedious interuptions?
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  I Know A MS That Just Got Reappointed As An Elder After 5 Years And Still Thinks He's Not Qualified

  by minimus in

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  he's a very good man and recognizes his limitations.

  he still dislikes field service and considers himself inferior to the other elders.

  he has almost no contact with his disfellowshipped older son.

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  From your description, Min, I wonder if he is not a potential suicide.
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  Another pedophile law suit... Las Lunas Congo in Albuquerque NM

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  woman sues los lunas jehovahs witnesses, claims sex abuseabqnews seeker .

  .entry-header by clara garcia/valencia county news-bulletin | 10 hours ago .entry-meta posted: 5:42 amlos lunas a former member of the los lunas congregation of jehovahs witnesses is suing the church, claiming she was molested by a former elder.. monica lynn jaramillo, 35, through her attorneys, terrence revo and irwin zalkin, filed a complaint for damages aug. 12 in the 13th judicial district court.

  also named as defendants in the case is watchtower bible and tract society of new york, which oversees the church, and a former elder, who has not been charged with a crime.. attempts to reach the jehovahs witnesses kingdom hall in los lunas for comment were unsuccessful before the news-bulletin deadline.. according to the civil lawsuit, jaramillo allegedly was sexually abused as a child by the elder, who had served as a ministerial servant and an elder, which are leadership positions in the congregation.

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  "The lawsuit says the church’s elders told her that to be appointed as a regular pioneer of the church, she would have to prove to the elders that she had forgiven him for raping her. She was instructed by the elders of Los Lunas that she should demonstrate her forgiveness by hosting … (the elder) and his family in their home, and by permitting her children to spend time, including nights, at … his home under (his) supervision,”

  Note that the Elders are not saying the rape didn't happen, they're saying that this sister must demonstrate SUBMISSION by now putting her own daughters at risk! WTF is wrong with these idiots? They are mentally diseased!
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  San Diego are you awake?

  by nicsfreedom in

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  2. friends

  currently we need 50+ people to reserve a seat for the sd premier of "truth be told".

  invite anyone you know and please inform them to go through the tugg site below to ensure the event will happen.. http://www.tugg.com/events/5192.

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  The precision with which the "Truth Be Told" campaign has been conducted has been impressive: it's like a well-oiled rock.

  Take this thread for instance. No details.

  No answers to the essential questions

  who

  what

  WHERE

  WHEN

  how

  why

  I tried to contact the man behind the movie. No contact information for him is available anywhere on the internet, so I write to one of the 3 or 4 websites involved in promoting TBT and request contact. No relpy. Does he have a staff or is it all entourage and groupies?

  I can think of three XJW movie projects that I have heard of in the past couple of years that have been express trains to NOWHERE.

  TBT is yet another object lesson in how to run a failed campaign.

  Good work! NOT!
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  Simple Signs That Cause Jehovah's Witnesses To Lose Morale (Faith In The Governing Body Corporation Kings)

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good way to get the jws doubting corporation leadership, is lower their morale in the governing body.

  pointing out their stupidity, authoritarianism, delusions of grandure, and the depts of their wishful thinking bias done in such a way to overide watchtower inplanted prejudice.. highlighting the phobias they have of apostates, their attitude toward children as nothing more that corporation free labor denying them education and handing them over to pedofiles in the congregation be they elders or microphone handlelers.. signs about doctrinal issues are a waste of time but i can't deny that some may benifit but that's just getting them out of one cult and making them pray for another.

  anyway the bible is too full of shit to argue doctrine, much better to stay away from it and proceed to spend more time get oneself free from that residual mind control you're still clinging to that's based in the bible.. what are your ideas?.

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  frankiespeakin, LOL!
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  Simple Signs That Cause Jehovah's Witnesses To Lose Morale (Faith In The Governing Body Corporation Kings)

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good way to get the jws doubting corporation leadership, is lower their morale in the governing body.

  pointing out their stupidity, authoritarianism, delusions of grandure, and the depts of their wishful thinking bias done in such a way to overide watchtower inplanted prejudice.. highlighting the phobias they have of apostates, their attitude toward children as nothing more that corporation free labor denying them education and handing them over to pedofiles in the congregation be they elders or microphone handlelers.. signs about doctrinal issues are a waste of time but i can't deny that some may benifit but that's just getting them out of one cult and making them pray for another.

  anyway the bible is too full of shit to argue doctrine, much better to stay away from it and proceed to spend more time get oneself free from that residual mind control you're still clinging to that's based in the bible.. what are your ideas?.

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  Nathan Natas

  AngusOg (a poster here) in his new book "Quitting The Watchtower," suggests asking this question:

  How, exactly, does God's Channel work?

  I would add a line:

  How, exactly, does God's Channel work?

  YOU DON'T KNOW!

  or maybe I should simplify that to:

  You don't know how "God's Channel" works!